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PostSubject: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:49 am

Hey guys, i know its been covered numerous times, but still im not clear on one thing. With the motor mounts, my car is a factory v8 (301) with the "cup" type mounts, so if im to put a 440 into it, what sort of mounts will i need? Do 440 engines have the cup style mounts? Or do i have to do some cutting and welding? Thanks everyone.
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:09 am

they make mounts of that type but im unsure whom does I remember them being pricey like 200
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:50 pm

Factory BB 350 mounts, OR custom welded 301 Mounts to fit your 440.
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:42 pm

i have the cup style plymouth ones available please email me fast59desoto@hotmail.com
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:02 pm

Here is a 383 block in my V8 car, used 350/361 motor mounts:






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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:25 am

hey guys thanks for the replies, Marc, thanks for the pics, i have saved them for future referance, from what i can remember they look a lot like the 301 mounts, (thats from memory though), Jeff, i will email you shortly.
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:40 am

ill have to go into my garage tomorrow ande find the mounts off my car and compare them to Marc's ones in his pics.
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:02 am

The 301/303/313/318 (poly) cylinders mounts have a greater offset to the side of the drum. Marc.

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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:37 pm

Another question, more for clarification than anything....

Can you bolt a V8 into a original 6 cylinder car by just using the V8 mounts?
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:03 pm

Thoise are the same mounts I am using, Rick I would say no, Crisy done that change over and she had to weld some more or move her motor mounts. I think ikf you look in her build you will find out what she had to do. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:09 pm

I have no factory mounts left at all, so I am not worried. Just information for others trying to do the swap.
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:40 pm

hey guys, what about the hemi engine? Like whats involved in fitting a 392 hemi in a 57/8 V8 framed Plymouth? I have heard its more difficult than a 440, has anyone here done one? If so please share info im very interested.
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:43 am

I did that swap in 1964 Joe. Neither the 318 mounts or the 392 mounts will work without making some modifications. The distributor will sit too close to the heater duct and hit it and break rotors when you get on it hard. I was only 16 at the time and had no tools to make modifications. I got it to work but broke tons of rotors. Sure did look good though to see that big ole 392 sitting under the hood. They named me "king of the road" in my year book in 1965.

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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:49 am

Great story Jim.
Since posting the question, i have done some more reaserch, and come to the conclusion that its just too much work, a 440 would drop in so much easier, but gee you're right, that 392 would look fantastic in there! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:46 am

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Great story Jim.
Since posting the question, i have done some more reaserch, and come to the conclusion that its just too much work, a 440 would drop in so much easier, but gee you're right, that 392 would look fantastic in there!
Very Happy Sorry Joe your tree has to go Hee! Hee!

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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:27 pm

not my treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:12 pm

Hee! Hee!
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:17 am

hahaha thanks Bob! :cherry:
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:19 am

I have another question, with the 440's i have heard that the earlier engines are a little better than the later ones, is that true? And if so what are the best year engines to go for and how do i tell what year the engine is from?
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:38 am

This was the hardest part for me. I was advised to use cups and wish I had because it must have taken me two months to reshape cut and weld the set from the motor home. My 440 came out of a 76 motor home so It is not one of the older better ones. It is clean and low mileage.
This is the wrong way to do it. Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:38 pm

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I have another question, with the 440's i have heard that the earlier engines are a little better than the later ones, is that true? And if so what are the best year engines to go for and how do i tell what year the engine is from?
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Joe I like the early ones with the steel crank, mine is a 1966 , but if you arn't winding them over 5500-6000 the newer 70;s with the cast crank works good. 440's are tough engines. Smile I don't worry about the piston's because they are always changed anyways;0

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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:57 pm

hey Chrissy that looks fine, im lucky in the way that mine was originally a V8 frame.
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:59 pm

Hey Bob, well from what i can gather it's exactly as you say, any 440 is ok but the very early ones with the steel crank are slightly better because of just that.......the seel crank.
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:25 pm

Chrissy there is no WRONG way i think you did an amazing job getting your engine in your car Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:54 pm

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Exactly Joe.... The finished product is perfecto and that's what counts Crissy Exclamation

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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:10 pm

Wow Chrissy the Motor in the Chassis looks amazing. I do not remember seeing that pic in your build thread? Looks great. Sorry Joe for getting off your subject....
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:36 am

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hey Chrissy that looks fine, im lucky in the way that mine was originally a V8 frame.



Thanks. You are lucky and you at least know what your doing. It was all a mystery to me. scratch

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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:03 pm

There was a member here Joe, EVA392 that had a Hemi in his 57. Unfortunatly he put the car into a stobie pole and wrecked the front of it. He said he was gonna rebuild it and not sure if it was finished. Ive got a J440 going into my 59 coupe.
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PostSubject: Re: 440 into 57/58 Plymouth   Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:26 pm

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hey Chrissy that looks fine, im lucky in the way that mine was originally a V8 frame.



Thanks. You are lucky and you at least know what your doing. It was all a mystery to me. scratch
A lot of what i know is from advice received from here, believe me Chrissy, a lot of it is a mystery to me too, i have never done a full body off restoration before, and i have never dealt with Chrysler big blocks before, only small blocks.
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