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PostSubject: E-brake problem   Wed May 01, 2013 7:13 pm

57 Plymouth Belvedere...internal expanding type...replaced e-brake shoes, had drum resurfaced and replaced transmission output shaft seal over the winter. Now I can't seem to get the e-brake to grab a good hold. I've had the shoes adjusted out too far where the drum got hot after a short ride...had the cable adjustment everywhere possible but still e-brake will not grab a good hold of the drum. I'm wondering if I screwed something up inside but it can only go back together one way as far as I can tell...I have the manual...everything is back where it should be. It acts as if the shoes aren't expanding enough when handle is pulled...but handle position is good when pulled tight, as it's about 1/2 way up. I don't get it, I've had it all apart 4 times now.

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Wed May 01, 2013 8:03 pm

Bob...

I hate to say this, but removing the drum and taking a photo before disturbing the internals will probably draw the quickest solution. There has to be something wrong internally.

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Wed May 01, 2013 9:06 pm

Bob give Jim Rawa a call he is am expert on these cars. PM him at FuryJim.
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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Thu May 02, 2013 9:50 am

Thanks John...Thanks Joe...I tore into it again last night as this thing is driving me nuts! I did not take a photo before I tore it apart John...so it's going to have to not work again and be tore apart again to get a photo. Razz As fas as calling Jim Rawa...I will have no choice if this thing is still messed up after I reassemble it. I'm just lost for reasons at this point why it won't work. I had the shoes too tight and there was a lot of brake dust in there when I re-opened it up the first time...loosened the shoes but still had the same symptoms. Starting to wonder about the new pads now scratch

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Thu May 02, 2013 10:37 am

If you ran it hot check to see if the brake shoes are glazed over. If they glaze they get hard and it will cause them to slip.

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Thu May 02, 2013 12:15 pm

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If you ran it hot check to see if the brake shoes are glazed over. If they glaze they get hard and it will cause them to slip.
Good point Jim...I had this in the back of my mind but was dismissing it. When I reassemble I'll give them a good sanding first. Thank you very much!

NYB

I did sand the glaze off of them...and noticed the inside edge of the right shoe was worn down considerably. I decided not to put them back in so I took the shoes and drum back to Rochester, Clutch and Brake...Sam gave me a new set free of charge and turned the drum for me....and chamfered the top/bottom edges off the shoes so they fit into the drum with no gaps. Great guy...if any of you need these type parts for your cars call him. He ships anywhere...and he's the supplier for all the on-line parts houses.

http://www.rochesterclutch.com/vintage.shtml

He said there's really only one way to put these e-brake shoes in...I don't know what happened...perhaps I had them adjusted improperly and the right shoe cocked and hung up. I guess I better take my time and really make sure everything is right this time. Sam said to physically measure diameter of shoes/drum and adjust accordingly before drum is installed. I know I have a stretched cable too...so the cable adjustment is at the end of it's travel.

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Fri May 03, 2013 11:01 pm

I got it all back together today...Wow. I'm really beat...mowed the lawn too. I'm ready to crash now but the good news is that for some reason everything went back together very well today and I now have a Belvedere with a working e-brake. I rode around a little and felt the drum when I got home...still a little hot but not so hot that my spit sizzled on my fingertip. (like before) The shoes grab real good too stops the rolling car in the driveway real well without any chatter. Is it normal for this e-brake drum to be hot? It spins freely with e-brake off? I've got to drive my DeSoto around and check it's e-brake drum afterward with a little spit on my fingertip for a comparison.

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Sat May 04, 2013 11:40 am

When adjusted properly, there should be a very small amount of drag on the shoes, for the first short bit of driving. After that, the temp of the drum should be the same as the tailshaft housing on the transmission.

Glad to hear that you've got it sorted now, Bob.

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Sat May 04, 2013 8:49 pm

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When adjusted properly, there should be a very small amount of drag on the shoes, for the first short bit of driving. After that, the temp of the drum should be the same as the tailshaft housing on the transmission.

Glad to hear that you've got it sorted now, Bob.

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Thanks John...you have been instrumental in helping me get this issue fixed and I thank you very much. I did not get a chance to get the Belvedere out today as we had our first car show of the year about 25 miles south of here. I took my 69 Fury III there today. Big Red ran like a champ...and won a trophy too. Cool I wasn't totally sure about bringing the Belvedere that far today. I can take it out tomorrow though to get it gassed up...not too far but far enough to closely monitor e-brake drum temp. Thanks again John for all your help...

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Sun May 05, 2013 11:40 am

Congrats on the award your '69 earned!!

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Sun May 05, 2013 9:45 pm

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Congrats on the award your '69 earned!!

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Thanks John! It was a fun day and so good to see everyone again after a long winter.

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Sun May 05, 2013 10:59 pm

Congrats on the award bob, where was the show located?

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Mon May 06, 2013 9:16 am

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Congrats on the award bob, where was the show located?

Beautiful Canandaigua, NY at the American Legion. You may have heard of the club that put it on...East Coast Hot Rods...a fairly new and increasingly active club here in the central NY region. Great bunch of guys :-) There were about 80 cars there. Not bad for only 5 weeks of preparation.

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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Mon May 06, 2013 9:47 am

Congrats on the award NY Bob!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: E-brake problem   Mon May 06, 2013 10:08 am

Congrads Ny on the award you won, You have some nice Mopars. cheers

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