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PostSubject: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:28 pm

We all know the story of Miss Belvedere, the Tulsa time capsule that ultimately was a failed project, but not 40 miles away, another Plymouth was last put on the road in 1965, this one, a 1958 model.

A young man from near Tulsa got out of the service in 1965, and bought a 1958 Belvedere convertible from a used car lot in central California, and drove it across the country back to his home in rural eastern Oklahoma. Something mechanical had happened shortly thereafter, and the car was parked behind his brother in law's garage, and left to slowly sink into the ground, soon to be forgotten.
5 years ago, a friend of mine was considering buying some property in the area, and happened to spot the car from the cab of his truck, and snapped a few photos. He stopped at the house, but nobody was home, so he left a note inquiring if the car was for sale. Nothing more was heard of it for some time. A customer of mine in Minnesota was heading west to Redding Ca. to pick up a vintage house trailer he had bought, using his beefed up '65 F-250 as a tow vehicle. He came over to the yard to pick up a number of '58 Ford body parts he was buying from me, and after leaving, came back a short while later saying his truck was cutting out in the hills. We checked the usual culprits, fuel filter, ignition points, etc. but found nothing wrong. I told Patrick that he could stay with us until his truck was safe to drive home, and he told me he was headed to eastern Oklahoma, where he and his wife had moved to.

I mentioned the Belvedere that Jim had sent me photos of, and asked him to keep an eye out for it. Patrick was here almost a week, until we discovered a loose connection in a primary ignition wire beneath the dash, everything had been re-wired, and some of it not so well. After re-wiring, the cutting out was cured, and Patrick made his trip back home to Oklahoma.

Five months later, I got a call from him, he had located the car, and gotten a price from the owner, after going back five times. Seems the car was just 20 miles away from him! I wired him the money, and he paid for the car and extracted it from its resting place of nearly 50 years, and brought it to his ranch for storage. I paid Jim, the fellow that originally found the car, to bring it back to California for me

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:45 pm

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Under the hood sets a Red-Ram Dodge poly engine, not fully installed. The original engine probably gave out, and this was being installed before being given up on.
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After removing the seats, I pressure washed all the leaves, dirt, and of course, rust from every crevice.
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Ground squirrels and moles had packed dirt up into the frame, so I washed it out while up on the forklift. Surprisingly, other than the floors, things looked pretty good.
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Two pop bottles were beneath the seat, Pepsi and Kickapoo Joy Juice [Those that remember the comic strip Lil' Abner will remember this]
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In what was left of the trunk, a half full Havoline oil can, Charter lubricant, and two Schlitz beer cans, one had been full until the rust let the beer escape.
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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:27 pm

Amazing story John, when did you actually bring the car home? Are you planning to keep it like this or restore it? It looks too nice to be a parts car.
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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:28 pm

John when I read your story I never expected that there would be this much left of it. GREAT Score!:John Big M:

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:30 pm

Great score John. I am so jealous.

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:54 pm

wow John what a find, like Jim i to am very jealous Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:08 pm

Plans are to replace what it needs to be complete, like a trunk lid, front bumper, grill V, etc. and mothball it in my Quonset hut for a future project. I'll cut a complete rustfree floor and trunk from a donor car, just so I have them available when the time comes. This will be a fairly easy car for me to restore.

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:39 pm

compared to your rusty 59 i think this would be a walk in the park Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:52 pm

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compared to your rusty 59 i think this would be a walk in the park Very Happy
That is the gods honest truth, Joe!

On another note, Joe, a friend of mine may be needing a frame from a truck like yours, he bought one wrecked, and the front of the frame is bent. He is running a lien sale on it, and doesn't know if there is a lienholder, so it may not go through. What were you wanting to get for the frame you have?

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:20 pm

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compared to your rusty 59 i think this would be a walk in the park Very Happy
That is the gods honest truth, Joe!

On another note, Joe, a friend of mine may be needing a frame from a truck like yours, he bought one wrecked, and the front of the frame is bent. He is running a lien sale on it, and doesn't know if there is a lienholder, so it may not go through. What were you wanting to get for the frame you have?

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John, i am actually listing it on ebay with all the interior as a whole

here is the link if your friend is interested
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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:33 am

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compared to your rusty 59 i think this would be a walk in the park Very Happy
That is the gods honest truth, Joe!

On another note, Joe, a friend of mine may be needing a frame from a truck like yours, he bought one wrecked, and the front of the frame is bent. He is running a lien sale on it, and doesn't know if there is a lienholder, so it may not go through. What were you wanting to get for the frame you have?

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John, i am actually listing it on ebay with all the interior as a whole

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Thanks for posting the link. Unfortunately, his is an extended cab so the frame will be too short. If I hear of anyone else needing it, I will forward the E-bay link to them.

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:48 am

Awesome read John. Thanks for sharing! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:20 pm

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compared to your rusty 59 i think this would be a walk in the park Very Happy
That is the gods honest truth, Joe!

On another note, Joe, a friend of mine may be needing a frame from a truck like yours, he bought one wrecked, and the front of the frame is bent. He is running a lien sale on it, and doesn't know if there is a lienholder, so it may not go through. What were you wanting to get for the frame you have?

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John, i am actually listing it on ebay with all the interior as a whole

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Thanks for posting the link. Unfortunately, his is an extended cab so the frame will be too short. If I hear of anyone else needing it, I will forward the E-bay link to them.

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oh, i never even thought to ask you if he had a regular cab or extended. i do believe with a little customization for the rearend center shock mount you could use a 2wd extended cab from a 1500.
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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:41 pm

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Awesome read John. Thanks for sharing! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:42 pm

I've spent some time cleaning lichens and surface rust off, there really isn't any heavy surface rust, most of what is showing is a brown primer. I replaced the deck lid, as the old one was rusty along the lower edge. Also, I replaced the front bumper and installed the grill V and hood badge. I rounded up the majority of the missing A/C components and radiator as well.
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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Can't resist getting started can you? Hee! Hee! 

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:22 pm

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Can't resist getting started can you?  Hee! Hee! 

Not so much that, Jim, as I don't want to accidentally sell something I have, and find I needed it later. This car is going into dry storage, and I will be back to other pressing issues.

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:44 pm

love it John Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:40 pm

I sold a '47 Merc to a customer a week ago, and we had to move quite a few cars to get to it. This allowed me access to a '58 Plymouth wagon that had a 392 Hemi installed in it. I decided that while it was un buried, best to pull the engine and trans. This powertrain will go into the convertible when I get to it. I will need to rebuild both units.

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:51 pm

Suprised your going with a hemi. Arn't those harder to work on than normal plymouth engines?
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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:13 pm

Wow. Wonderful. So much like the book and the movie: deteriorated car for sale. So have you found Darnell's yet and has she started fixing herself? Seriously, the best of luck and fun with your new old car!

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:57 pm

Behind the rust she is gonna look nice when all finished. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: The story of 'Mr Belvedere'   Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:38 pm

Yep! Another nice find John Smile Got to love that rusty gold!
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