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PostSubject: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:20 pm

Hi guys , i look to buy a l-350 , how mutch i need to expect tonpay for a complete engine , what do i need to make sure i got or what is hard to find on that engine ?

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:03 pm

Depends how mutch budget spend is. I-350 on trees not grow you make sure got parts. tonpay lots you expect. At end my reply is.

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:44 am

Humm ok i make it more easy , somebody offer me a l-350 complete whit dual afr carbs (thay need to get rebuilt) the engine is complete whit the stock manifold , intake all accesoiries exept distributor and oval air cleaner box , is a new rebuilt engine whit cam and new piston . He as the water pump , alt , belt .

What is a good price to paid our what is too much .
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:16 am

Tybob,

All grammatical humor aside, the first thing to do is verify the engine is correct. There are a few things to look for. There should be a series of numbers beginning with L350. Next is to look for the correct passenger side exhaust manifold with the heat riser tube casting for the choke. Is the correct coil bracket there? Lastly, I would have recommended looking for the Golden Commando specific dual point distributor but I see from your post it isn't there.

Some people have taken the L-350 from a 58 Dodge and cloned the Golden Commando. These are worth less money as they don't normally have the items I mentioned. As for being rebuilt when was this done? Has it been run? Where are the rebuild specs and how much was spent? Is there a receipt? I can't give you an honest opinion without this. Smile

A real and complete Golden Commando is worth a significant amount of money.

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:28 am

the seller told me the engine was just rebuilt to engine spec but he decide to built a new engine for is ratrod , he also told me i can go and he can start them , so he may have the distributor somewhere .

what is the difference between the l350 and the golden commando ?

he ask me around 2500$ and he spend more than that to the rebuilt it.

i know more the injection car then the 58' lol
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:19 pm

hi guys , i will recive my l350 this week or so Smile i have not the real carb on it but is the good intake number . if is not a real golden commendo i will make a nice clone Smile
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:14 pm

Be sure and post pictures Tybob. Looking forward to seeing it. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:53 pm

here some picture Smile the one whit the carb is to bad so when i recive the engine ill post it .

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:26 pm

The number "pad" on the block surface near the distributor hole is where the engine id numbers are. Are you going to paint the correct color? What are you doing for exhaust manifolds?

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:51 pm

Looks like Ford Blue...but then again, my '66 Dodge Monaco was equipped with a 383ci and had a similar factory aqua green turquoise blue color.

Are you going to run original Carter's on it or opt for a couple of after market Holly's (other)?

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:31 am

hi guys ,

yes i want to paint the right color (somebody have the right color code ) and send the valve cover to chrome shop , the block is stamped l350 and is made nov 1957 , he give me 2 afb carb ( core and need to get rebuild ) so i don't know if i will rebuild them or buy edelbrock carbs .

for the exhaust manifold i don't know yet any suggestion .
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:14 pm

Edelbrock carbs are tricky as you'll need different oval air cleaners to fit the bases. As for exhaust manifolds you can go with 361 manifolds from 59. If your looking for a correct passenger side GC exhaust manifold with the casting for the choke tube they are very expensive and more rare than the engine itself. If the original is what you prefer let me know as I may be able to help you out. As for the correct paint code I'll see if I can get it. Been awhile since I mixed mine.

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:34 am

for the moment my car cost me a lot as you know loll so for the manifold i dont need the original match for this year , i also need to find bumper wing and oval air cleaner box whit base Sad
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:43 am

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Edelbrock carbs are tricky as you'll need different oval air cleaners to fit the bases. As for exhaust manifolds you can go with 361 manifolds from 59. If your looking for a correct passenger side GC exhaust manifold with the casting for the choke tube they are very expensive and more rare than the engine itself. If the original is what you prefer let me know as I may be able to help you out. As for the correct paint code I'll see if I can get it. Been awhile since I mixed mine.

Wayne, Did Chuck and Aaron have any more repro manifolds made up, or just the one they sold? I never heard any further after that.

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:51 am

Tybob, have you considered these fiberglass bumper wings?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-1958-PLYMOUTH-FRP-BUMPER-WINGS-COMPLETE-SET-FURY-BELVEDERE-CHRISTINE-/251442892064?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a8b2a0d20&vxp=mtr

A set of metal ones will cost you at least $1000+. These FRP ones could be a cost effective alternative. Anyone else use these or have any info on quality and durability?

Speaking of FRP:
How about these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRP-DUAL-QUAD-GOLD-OVAL-AIR-CLEANERS-MOPAR-CHRYSLER-PLYMOUTH-1958-1959-1960-HEMI-/251441667056?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a8b175bf0&vxp=mtr

I bet these would do just fine for most folks, until you come across some originals. Or, maybe I'm just cheap?  Laughing 

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:54 am

hi joe ,

yes ill take a look on it but they told me is around 1500$ to get it chrome Sad and 650 for the oval air cleaner
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:59 am

tybob53 wrote:
hi joe ,

yes ill take a look on it but they told me is around 1500$ to get it chrome :(and 650 for the oval air cleaner

Well, these are definitely cheaper. I guess it's something to consider....
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:01 pm

i will recive my engine this week Smile what is the right gold coler for the golden commando ? and what exaust manifold i can install on a l350 ? a 318 will work on or not ?
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:21 pm

Tybob, 318 manifolds won't work. They have to be B-Block manifolds. I'm using a 59 Dodge 361 passenger side and stock driver side. There was an NOS stock driver side on ebay last time I looked.

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:30 pm

I should have a set of manifolds similar to what Wayne is using, or if you are feeling very extravagant, I do have the Commando RH manifold with the choke stove casting in good condition.

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:30 pm

I thought you guys had the Ditzler, Turbine Bronze paint #? Only the Ditzler # is an '83 Camero Autumn Redwood Poly name now. Same color.

It's what I painted those 350 GC brackets with I gave you/club/web site a couple years ago. Supposed to be a dead balls on match to the original GC Turbine Bronze color.
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:32 pm

Hey Brillo Face!  Before I'd sell him a set of those GC manifolds, I'd make sure he gets the '58 350 V'covers.

That would be like, hanging a crystal chandelier in a haunted house!
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:54 pm

I've got the code somewhere. Still making coil brackets Rick or has that ship sailed?

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:21 am

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I've got the code somewhere. Still making coil brackets Rick or has that ship sailed?




I was hoping it had sailed,,,,,,,,,,,. But, somebody that sez he knows me, (I don't know him) talked me into making a set of brackets for him this winter.

At his first request, late last summer, I refused. I really don't have the time in the summer, and there is no heat in the garage, plus that 'thrill feeling' from helping someone out isn't there anymore (my shoulders, thumbs, joints, and hair hurts too much),,,,,,,,,,,,,.

But, showed me the pictures, either, I sent you, or you sent to me/someone of those brackets I painted and gave to the club. So I figured he was on here, and reluctanty agreed to make him a set. He mailed me a foot square hunk of 3/32 in early November.

I got the coil bracket cut out, drilled, edged all nice and pretty. All ready to bend to shape, weld, smooth the welds.

Still got the throttle brackets to make yet. It doesn't take as much time to make them as it does that coil bracket.

My heart is just not in it,,,,,,,,, aw I had better get a burr up my sphincter, hurry up and get 'em done, because once when spring thaw ever gets here, between the grass, and this motorcycle feces, I won't have much time to sleep!
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:00 am

I know the feeling Rick. Maybe if you get around to building that Model A Roadster you were thinking about the "fire" will get re-stoked! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:12 am

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I should have a set of manifolds similar to what Wayne is using, or if you are feeling very extravagant, I do have the Commando RH manifold with the choke stove casting in good condition.

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i not sure exactly what the manifold look like , i mean the 59 vs the golden commando and what is the difference , i will get the engine by monday so i will post the right picture of it and i will need help to get it fixe , you can send me a pm for the price of the parts i will need and what you have .

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:16 am

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I should have a set of manifolds similar to what Wayne is using, or if you are feeling very extravagant, I do have the Commando RH manifold with the choke stove casting in good condition.

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i am new here lol , thanks all of you guys to help me , i will post some new picture soon of my project .... i do the front floor now and get the frame to sandblast Smile
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:55 pm

Naw, that '32 hi-boy roadster will be a long way off. I'll send you a email. It deals more with, I took great pride/satisfaction in helping others, in all aspects, at sacrifice to myself. (the way I'm wired)

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I'm wondering two things. "IF" there are enough OEM/Re-pop parts out there right now, to 'build' a COMPLETE/CORRECT GOLDEN COMMANDO L-350? AND, if one (complete/correct GC 350) can/could be built for UNDER 3K$?

Bloody One, you my friend, are the ONLY person alive that has had the good fortune to purchase a NOS GC 350!

TYBOB53. "IF" you truly DO have a GENUINE Golden Commando 350, you should go buy a lottery ticket right now! "IF that motor is a (regular) L-350 (out of a DeS or Dodge) be prepaired to spend 3K$ or more to 'make it' a "Golden Commando"!

There are two people on this site who have VAST knowledge on building Golden Commando 350's! Wayne and Joe. One went to great lengths to get the GC right (passenger) exhaust manifold re-popped. Only to be 'beat up' over on the FwdLk site! (one of the reasons I left)

I was able to acquire (a decade or two ago) a copy, of a copy, (about 10 times) of the blueprints of the GC coil and throttle spring brackets. I 'think' I can hand make those 'boogers'! Because, like the one exhaust manifold, those items are GC 350 ONLY!

I started making those brackets out of 304 stainless and polishing them. Then, giving them away for FREE! The guy that gave me the print copy, said that if I was successful in making those brackets, and started selling them he wanted 1/2. Since it takes me right around 5 hours to make just the coil brkt, if I sold them, he would be getting all the profits at my effort. So that is why I gave 'em away.

TYBOB53 The OEM brackets are .005" smaller than 3/32" Why? ?????????? who knows. You can't walk into any steel supply place and find 3/32" plate in the scrap bin. 3/32 is 1/2 way between 1/16th and 1/8th. So to get any 3/32" plate one would have to find something else (bigger) stamped out of the 3/32, cut what flat pieces you can to make the coil and throttle brackets. OR,,,,,,, spend big bucks at a steel supply place, and get a piece of 3/32,,,,,,,. Get Wayne (The Bloody One) to show you a before and after picture of his GC coil brkt.

Several on here have commented, to the 'newbies', that the '57-8 Plymouths, are the hardest, the most complicated, AND the most expensive to restore/build! PERIOD! BUT! "IF" you can overcome that major hurdle, you will have 'one of' the most recognized vehicles out there! (The "General Lee's" are TV's/movie's most recognized vehicles)

Bloody One up there mentioned about the red supposidly 350 Convt that's on ebay right now, the only thing rarer was a 'stick' GC convt!

To truly understand these "B" motors ('58 to early '70 something) you have to know the history. In '58 the Golden Commando 350 came ONE way. The 2, 4's. later in the year the 'de-tuned' L-350 2 bbl motor was in the low end DeS's and Dodges. The "L" is the code for the year of manufacture, 1958. Some of those blocks were stamped L-350, some were stamped, L 35 some were stamped L 350. (I had a GC 350 stick block stamped, L-350 and a GC 350 auto block stamped, L 35. And seen a couple of blocks stamped, L 350)

The manual (standard issue) transmission, (torqueflyte was optional) that was offered behind the GC 350 was a beefed 318 cop/taxi unit. It would NOT take a hard 2nd gear shift, nor the torque of the GC-350. In other words, Ma MoPar was fixing every one that was installed. So about a 1/3 (or less)of the way through the production year the manual trans was dropped from the 350 line up! The ONLY trans (offered) one could get behind the GC-350 was the cast iron TF. So ANY GC 350 'stick' motors are RARE! (just try and find a 350 Bell, F'wheel, linkage, and trans!)

Now, other things. There were different carbs for the auto 350's and the 'stick' 350's! (try and find a pr of 'stick' carbs) Back then, ALL V-8 motors on the line destined for a manual trans, got the crankshaft drilled for the pilot bushing. ALL Auto trans motors did NOT get the end of the crank drilled. A LOT of backyard auto to stick conversions in the '60's was scrapped because of that lack of pilot bushing hole.

The 350 V'covers was different. See your v'covers? They have flat places on the end corners. The 350 V'covers were smooth with NO dimples or stamped flat places. They also had 4 bolts holding them to the heads. ('62 the covers were 6 bolt) Get Wayne, or someone to show you a good picture what a L-350 valve covers look like. Those too are very hard to find.

The 350 2, 4's linkage is the same as the 426 Hemi linkage. Just gotta pay the "Hemi" price.

The GC dist was a dual point, but the vacuum advance had a flared steel advanced line from the bottom of the carb to the dist. NOT the more common rubber hose.

You could actually build a 'stealth' 350 cheaper and easier than a genuine L-350! Of course the manifold and v'covers would be a dead give-a-way, but who in the heck would notice, when yer layin' a hundred yards of rubber!

The 350 morfed into the 361. The 361 morfed into the famous 383. The 383 was smogged into the 400. The 400 bore is LARGER than the 440! Take a '71-2-3 400, give it a healthy overbore, install an aftermarket forged steel crank rods, any of the hipo 440 heads,,,,,,,,,,, you get the idea. "No subistute for cubic inches"

Oh, forgot. The football GC air cleaners are being re-popped either in fiberglass, or the dead balls on match in steel, for $700+. I do not know what the fiberglass ones are selling for. I understand, unless you are holding a glass one and a steel on in your hands, you can't visually tell the difference.

With my 5 remaining 'brane sells' I probably forgot most that I had learned of those 350's through the decades.

I too am anxious to see your pictures of this '350' of yours!
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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:06 pm

TYBOB53. "IF" you 'do' decide to go the CORRECT GC 350 route, you know. EVERYTHING visible ($) to build a GC that can't be told from,,,,,,,,.

I have enough 3/32" plate to make one more set of coil/throttle brackets. When you get it done all I ask for is you to show up at Carlisle with your motor in your car and show it off. If I "DO" make 'em for you,,,,,,, and you decide to change 'directions', you can't sell 'em! You MUST either, give them back to me, or give 'em to Wayne/Club!

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PostSubject: Re: How mutch i need to expect to pay for a l-350 complete   Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:18 pm

Wow a lot of info Smile i cańt wait to see a real gc picture , i don't know if is a real gc our like you say a regular l-350 but for sure is at lest a l350 our l-350 whit the right intake as what i can see on the picture i have ,the engine was delivery at the shipping shop , thay call me today to tell me that Smile , you tell me i nee to expect to spend 3 k to make it like a gc if is a regular l-350 i am ok whit that i want to make my car as close as Christine if is possible thats my dream car like you too and i appreciate all your help guys thanks again
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