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PostSubject: Colorado Springs/Denver   Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:04 pm

Anybody on here in the C'Springs/Denver area?

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PostSubject: Re: Colorado Springs/Denver   Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:13 am

Sorry, Buffalo NY here

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PostSubject: Re: Colorado Springs/Denver   Sat May 02, 2015 10:27 pm

Yup. Colorado Springs.

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PostSubject: Re: Colorado Springs/Denver   Sun May 03, 2015 2:18 am

Denver here
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PostSubject: Re: Colorado Springs/Denver   Sun May 03, 2015 8:44 am

Hey Rick...You've got someone...SuperBee71 just arrived...and it only took 13 months and few days!

Hee! Hee! Bob

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PostSubject: Re: Colorado Springs/Denver   Sun May 03, 2015 10:24 am

CRS Disease strikes again.

I forgot what the reason was, I asked. It's been too long ago.
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PostSubject: Re: Colorado Springs/Denver   Sun May 03, 2015 1:18 pm

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CRS Disease strikes again.

I forgot what the reason was, I asked.  It's been too long ago.

Was it for that steering column/box you were looking for? early 30's Hudson? You said you found one right?

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PostSubject: Re: Colorado Springs/Denver   Sun May 03, 2015 10:14 pm

No, the Denver C'Springs inquirey wasn't for the steering box.

I don't know what it was for. That was last year.

I know Mike (got his phone # and email addy here someplace) at Bud's Muffler in Denver. Bud's Muffler bent up the "duals" on my new Van. I've brought him out some moonshine the times I have gone out there. He usually checks on cars/parts for me when I ask.

I have no idea what I was thinking when I posted for Denver C'Springs info.

The '37 Hudson steering box swap in early Fords, is an old '50's/'60's hot rodder's trick to vastly improve (almost like power steer) the factory boxes ole Henry Ford had designed up.

Look at the "history". Fords was a cheaply mass produced automobile. The only other vehicle to out produce the Model T, was the Beetle! Even the el-cheapo Hudson (Teraplane 6) which was advertised with the "Low Priced Three" was an upscale car.

The "upscale" cars touted, comfort, ease of driving, more safety features, sometimes, better built with better materials, with the associated higher cost in "small print". While the cheaply built cars screamed "price" as 'their' selling point.

Outside appearances, the '37 Hudson Gemmer III steering box looks almost IDENTICAL to the '32-'36 Ford steering box. The two boxes have to be put side-by-side to tell the difference.

The Gemmer III 'innards" are equal to today rack and pinion. What the "Low Priced Three" used, was a cheaply easily mass produced similar to a bolt threading back in forth in a nut.

New, wasn't too bad to steer. Little more effort than the upscale steering required. Now compound that constant threading in and out moovement with the shock of rough roads, wore out lubricant, the wrong lubricant, or NO lubricant, that "bolt" gets cross threaded, or real sloppy (lots of "play"), now you see why the early "hot rodders" wanted "improved" steering for the early Fords! Hudson was the answer.

Then, in the late '60's the Corviar, Mustang, some even used VW Bus steering boxs, was the steering box of choice. Now, Flaming River, EZ Steer, supply early Ford steering boxes, along with companys re-popping the Corviar and complete 'bolt on', Mustang II Rand P!

OK. It would be a LOT easier AND cheaper to simply fab a frame mount, use a brand new Mustang or Corviar box all chromed. The way most of them are sold now. BUT,,,,,, I have the ORIGINAL '32, frame, steering column, mount, with original lock/keys, and ignition switch. (those were mounted on the column drop). I also have the original '32 steering wheel, horn button, and headlight switch.

Now, GOOGLE '32 Ford headlight switch. The headlight switch is mounted on the end of the steering box! It's that big silver round looking thing. The "knob" we are used to "pulling out" is a little lever that goes around the horn button on the '32. Take your thumb and flip the lever up, is cowl (parking) lights. Down one is "off". Flip it down again is low beams, flip down another notch is high beams. There is a brass rod from that lever around the horn button clear down through the steering shaft through a hole in the "bolt/nut" to the switch on the outside of the steering box.

Ford didn't put a, "normal" as we know it, headlight switch on their Fords until '37.

If I use any of the Corviar Mustang or any aftermarket boxes, (which are better than the Hudson box) I can't use the original '32 headlight switch. The Hudson box has that brass shaft provision along with the worm gear roller bearing sector style steering! A couple of holes drilled in the Hudson box end cap for the brass shaft, and to mount the Ford headlight switch, I can have IMPROVED steering and still retain my original headlight switch.

Hot Rodding trend now, is swinging back to the look and style of the '40's and '50's. Narrow biased belted wide whitewalls. Original wheels, drive lines, suspensions, etc.

I found a early '50's (according to the date on the back 1952) Stewart-Warner tach, with the original column mount. Sent it to Williamsons Insturments, had the face restored, the innards change to 12V and transisteriszd, had the mount chromed. My dash/steering inside now looks period correct. My dash is the original '32 insert, with a vintage speedo gas and temp gauges.

It's been since Christmas since I found a '37 Hudson steering box. Right now it is sitting all boxed up ready to ship out to "John Fowley" land tomorrow, to get rebuilt with today's bearings, and bronze bushings, the end cap machined, the sector shaft resplined for the '32 Ford pitnam arm, the steering shaft shortened and resplined and threaded for the '32 steering wheel to mount. All that effort just so I can retain a original '32 Ford steering wheel, horn button, headlight switch, and column mount.

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PostSubject: Re: Colorado Springs/Denver   Mon May 04, 2015 4:26 pm

Buds muffler, eh? I know Jeff. I remember when he started out in his shop behind Garys auto, in the Springs. Does good work.

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PostSubject: Re: Colorado Springs/Denver   Mon May 04, 2015 10:51 pm

Bud's in Denver, is not the same Buds' in C'Springs. Two entirely different shops, just sharing the same name.

Mikey told me the story behind the reason, but CRS, I forgot.

No big deal. They both probably do good work. I was in C'Springs 3 years ago, but still went to Denver to get the stainless duals bent. Why? CRS again.
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