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PostSubject: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:05 pm

Here's the power steering pump on my 58 Belvedere. There's presently a 1964 318 poly in the car. The pump is not assisting my turns at idle...works just fine when cruising. As soon as I have to slow down and turn a corner, turn around in the driveway or park the car in a parking spot I have manual steering. Really convenient huh?  Crying or Very sad  I have scoured the internet and have not seen another power steering pump like this one. I don't know if it's a Saginaw, Federal, TRW or what! I've even looked into GM and Ford pumps thinking someone in the past used what they had sitting on their spare parts shelf after they installed this engine in the car. I need to get a rebuilt pump. Something on the shelf would be preferred...or I suppose I could send this one away to get it professionally rebuilt. If I could identify it, I could buy a kit and rebuild this one myself. I'd even welcome using a more modern Mopar type P.S. pump if I could get one to fit onto this bracket. Any help would be really appreciated.

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PostSubject: Re: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:03 am

Anyone out there that owns a 58 Plymouth with what you believe to be the original style power steering pump...Could you please take some photos of it and post? I have good reason to believe that whatever is on mine is not even original to the 64 318 that's in my car. I'd like to get an original 58 style pump on my car....rather than put money into rebuilding this one (whatever it is).

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PostSubject: Re: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:58 am

That appears to be mid to late sixties issue, Bob. Not sure of the maker, though. '57-'59 used a Thompson pump, I'll see if I have a photo of one.

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PostSubject: Re: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:44 pm

Well I took some pics from the 57-58 service manual I have, I think it looks similar to the one you have Bob. The book showed several kinds though.





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PostSubject: Re: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:33 am

That's the one Chris!...Looks to be original to the car then...rather than to the motor or something else...I haven't been able to find that particular pump anywhere on the internet. This is good news because I won't have to get a new bracket...as long as I can get a rebuild kit for it. Anyone know where rebuild kits get be found?

Chris...I can't thank you enough for finding this info. Thank you SO much...

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PostSubject: Re: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:24 am

Happy to be of assistance Bob!

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PostSubject: Re: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:41 pm

I've never had a late fifties Plymouth pump like that, but it may be an assembly plant issue as many things on these cars are. I've only had Thompson type pumps, '57-'59 are identical, this is the one on my '59 361.
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PostSubject: Re: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:57 pm

Thanks John...I posted this same thread over on the FL too. One of the guys over there has one exactly like mine and in the casting on the side is "Thompson". However I cannot find on mine that same print....have looked thoroughly with a mirror/flashlight in same location. But it appears to be a direct match. I would love to find a rebuild kit. I called a rebuilder yesterday in Ohio. $275 + shipping both ways...Ouch!

Thanks for posting photos...I appreciate it very much. Have any idea where I can get a rebuild kit or where I can send it to get it rebuilt?

Bob

John, is it possible that the pump on my car is for small blocks only? I know you've had a million scenarios come through your yard but is it possible that your "keepers" were all big blocks?

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PostSubject: Re: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:04 pm

Bob,
I don't think the different pumps depended on the engine size, more likely the proximity of the supplier to the assembly plant.

You might give Lares rebuilders a call, I have sent steering parts to them for my European customers, and they've always done a good job.

1-800-334-5749

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PostSubject: Re: Help...Power Steering Pump Identification   Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:17 pm

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Bob,
I don't think the different pumps depended on the engine size, more likely the proximity of the supplier to the assembly plant.

You might give Lares rebuilders a call, I have sent steering parts to them for my European customers, and they've always done a good job.

1-800-334-5749

---John

I called them John...spoke with a very nice guy named Earl. He strongly recommended that I go through a procedure of jacking car up in from to get wheels of the floor, pulling the coil wire so it won't start then...turn the wheel 1 inch to the right, crank the motor for a few seconds then one inch to the left, crank the motor for a few seconds...check for bubbles or foam. Let them dissipate (walk away for a good while) repeating with wheel 2 inches to the right...cranking, 2 inches to the left cranking and so on. He said it sounds like the check valve is hung up. I thought it was excellent of him to tell me to do this before I send it to him. He actually said that this should fix it. I'm glad I called Lares Rebuilders. Earl is an honest and helpful guy. Thanks John!

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