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PostSubject: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:35 pm

As many of you know, I'm trying to decide on what wide whitewall tires to buy for my 58 Plymouth Belvedere. With much research and after talking with classic car tire salesmen, I think I'm pretty sure that the 58 Belvedere came with 750-14 tires and the Fury came with 800-14 tires.

I'm trying to determine the width of the rims that are on my car to ensure the tire size I want/get will mount on them ok. I would like to step size up to the 800-14 but perhaps the Fury had a wider rim as well? My tires are still on the rims so measuring is not easy...but I was able to measure with 2 straight edges and a ruler...the width of the rim flanges (outside to outside). I measured 6"...but the correct way to measure is with tire off so inside to inside rim flange width can be measured (where tire bead sits). One tire salesmen said to subtract 1"...so that would mean my rims are only 5" rims?! That's seems too small. I know this is kind of a tall order but, does anyone have a rim off their 58 Plymouth Plaza, Savoy or Belvedere (and  tire removed) so that they could measure width of rim for me?  

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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:18 pm

I wish you luck in finding excellent tires for your car.
I am sorry, but I do not know the rim width for these cars, I wish I did so that I could help you out here! I hope that someone who does know it speaks up so they can help you out! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:29 pm

My '57 shop manual specs are 14 x 5 as std and 14 x 5 1/2 as special equipment
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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:46 pm

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My '57 shop manual specs are 14 x 5 as std and 14 x 5 1/2 as special equipment

Thank you very much Ron...Perhaps then, the Plaza, Savoy and Belvedere got the 5" wide rims and the Fury got the 5.5" wide rims? I thought I saw somewhere...that the Fury got the 14" x 6" rims though.

It's a chance I'd have to take I guess. Would the 800-14's fit ok on the 5" wide rims? Hmmmm.

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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:54 pm

So, Bob, I am just wondering cause I see that you are interested in the Fury rims- are you planning to convert your Belvedere into a Fury?
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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:08 pm

No...not at all Jackie. It will stay a Belvedere as long as I own it. The tires I have on the car now look too small. They don't "fill the wheel wells up" enough for my liking. I did some research and found out the Fury used larger tires. Since the Belvedere and Fury have identical bodies and wheel wells, I figured I could easily upgrade the tire size...but apparently I have rims on my Belvedere that are at least 1/2" or perhaps even 1" narrower than that of the Fury. This could be an issue after mounting up the larger tires.

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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:23 pm

Oh, I see Bob.
I was just misunderstanding you when you were talking about the Fury's rims.
So now I see and understand.
And yes, I would keep her a Belvedere as well, I have actually myself found that I now like the Belvedere's more than the Fury's- I like the silver trim on the Belvedere more than the gold trim on the Fury.
I also know what you are talking about as well when you say that the tires don't fill up the wheel wells up, I have seen it with cars when you look at how much open space there is between the tire and wheel well.

So that could be an issue that the rims on your Belvedere is smaller than the tires you plan to mount.
I don't know personally what it would do, just I have a feeling that the tire may be loose. You may end up having to get larger rims.
Let me know how it goes...
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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:32 am

1958PlymouthFuryChristine wrote:

So that could be an issue that the rim on your Belvedere is smaller than the tires you plan to mount.
I don't know personally what it would do, just I have a feeling that the tire may be loose. You may end up having to get larger rims.
Let me know how it goes...

No they wouldn't be loose Jackie...what would happen is that the sidewalls would be drawn in too much at the tire bead (where the tire mates to the rim), so if you looked at the cross section of the tire it would balloon out too much at the top (tread)...sort of like a muffin top. I believe handling would be compromised and maybe even premature tread wear?...besides it looking kind of weird too.

I'm not so sure the 800-14 tire (original type bias ply) would be too bad but I'm pretty certain the 225/75r14 (modern radial) would.

Perhaps I'm making too much of it...but I'd just hate to order, receive a poorly chosen tire size only have to send them back. Who knows if they'd even take them back if I had them all mounted up and removed again?

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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:19 am

You can usually go one size bigger than stock without a problem. The station wagon also had the wider wheels. Lots of luck finding oem wheels at 5 1/2 inches. Back in the day I converted by 58 belv to new Yorker brakes, 12 inch drums and 9:50x15 tires with no problems. It did stop much better.
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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:59 pm

http://www.lucasclassictires.com/G78-14-Royalton-3-1-4-WW-G7814.htm

Well...this (above) is the tire I'm thinking of going with. Not set in stone yet...but at the moment I'm leaning towards it. Because I have 5" rims on my 58 Belv...I'm kind of limited in getting a larger size radial as the 215/75r14's on there right now (by tire chart standards) are already too wide for a 5" wide rim. As I said before the 215's look too small for the wheel wells so to get a bigger tire...and to do it properly, I really feel I'm limited to get a 750 or 800-14 (original equipment) or a G or H78-14 (replacement) bias ply tire. For the money, I think this Royalton G78-14 will do the trick. It happens to be as large in dia. as the 800-14 and it also has a wider tread width and wider white wall too if I want it. They offer a 2 1/4 and a 3 1/4" WW. I personally like the 3 1/4" WW. I have never heard of a Royalton so I called Lucas tire today and the salesman there said the (new) Royalton is made from the old Remington mold. I think some of you have heard of Remington Tires.

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PostSubject: Re: 58 Plymouth Rim Width   Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:50 pm

Bob,
I am happy to hear that you may have found new tires for your car.
I went to the link and it seems to look like a good tire. Very Happy
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