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PostSubject: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:42 pm

Okay Iv'e been wrestling with this now and I can't decide! I'm trying to choose whether or not to change over to a V8 drive train or leave my car original. I want a V8 but I don't know if I really want to go through the hassle of all the required changes, which would involve motor mounts, engine and trans, rear end, torsion bars, steering column, installing a shifter pod on the dash, and changing the brake pedal. I would be going from a six cylinder manual trans to V8 auto. What to do.......The six cylinder looks so archaic and out of place in the engine bay but part of me wants to preserve the originality of the car. I can't decide! :Marc :

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:19 pm

Same story here Chris... Mine has a V6 pushbutton automatic and I like the V8's more too.

I may just leave mine with the V6 depending on how I like it once I get the car.
One thing I already do like about it is I have the pushbutton automatic.
I don't know if I could keep the same tranny if I did convert over to a V8?
If I did make the decision to go to a V8, I would be putting a BIG V8 in her. Like 440 style. Smile 

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Where do you get all of those needed parts to convert a V6 to a V8???
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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:29 pm

I'm looking at possibly buying a 59 dodge rolling frame with the drive line components. The only thing it wouldn't have is the steering column, shifter pod, and brake pedal but I know where that stuff can be obtained. If I was to do this, I want it to look completely stock and original.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:33 pm

Oh I see. Smile So does the Dodge also have the tranny and motor you need as well?
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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:37 pm

It's not a hassle, It will be an adventure! A 440 looks like a 350! Big block it! But I like MANual Transmissions so a 4 on the column with a hidden reverse lever would be cool. I get the automatic thing when driving in traffic, and believe me Dallas has traffic, but I can't give up my 3 pedaled 5 speed V8. Either way, You can do it!. Marc.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:39 pm

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:44 pm

I love your car, Chris. I'm not sure what I would do either.... Well, yes I do. I'd go with the V8. Buy a roller with the major components you want and go from there. It would be a challenge but man the fun you could have....

Would you use an old '57 301? 318? 361? 383?.... No, you should strongly consider a 440 crate.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:13 pm

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Oh I see. Smile So does the Dodge also have the tranny and motor you need as well?
Yep, the Dodge has a one year only 326 poly with a powerflight trans.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:16 pm

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It's not  a hassle, It will be an adventure!  A 440 looks like a 350!  Big block it!  But I like MANual Transmissions so a 4 on the column with a hidden reverse lever would be cool.  I get the automatic thing when driving in traffic, and believe me Dallas has traffic, but I can't give up my 3 pedaled 5 speed V8.  Either way, You can do it!.  Marc.
Thanks Marc, I would be sticking with a poly motor and I've heard that the three speed manuals of that era didn't hold up well to the V8's so I would convert to an auto since I would want it to be period correct.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:20 pm

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I love your car, Chris. I'm not sure what I would do either.... Well, yes I do. I'd go with the V8. Buy a roller with the major components you want and go from there. It would be a challenge but man the fun you could have....

Would you use an old '57 301? 318? 361? 383?.... No, you should strongly consider a 440 crate.
Thanks Joe, I know that I really prefer the V8 because these cars were made for them. The motor I want is the 326, mainly because it's a plymouth based dodge engine with hydraulic lifters.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:25 pm

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1958PlymouthFuryChristine wrote:
Oh I see. Smile So does the Dodge also have the tranny and motor you need as well?
Yep, the Dodge has a one year only 326 poly with a powerflight trans.

Wow, nice. Smile 

If you do decide to do the swap from the V6 to the V8, and it turns out to be successful, I may do the same with my car. Smile 
Just the thing that I would most likely do different is put a 440 into mine.
Not saying the 326 poly is bad by any stretch of imagination, I just prefer big-blocks. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:43 pm

The 440 is nice and a popular choice, I had a chance to get one out of a motor home for next to nothing but it's the parts compatibility issues that I want to avoid. I want everything to go together and look the way it would have if the car originally came with a V8.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:47 pm

Oh wait- parts compatibility issues with the 440?
What all would I have problems with? Would I still be able to keep a pushbutton automatic tranny in the car?
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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:19 pm

Jackie your a Big Block girl! Holy smokes!! Shocked  You don't mess around! Smile


Chris, I would sit down and figure out what it might cost you to do this. Maybe that would help in your decision. Heres the thing that ive noticed. You do really want a V8 in your car. You have access to parts at reasonable prices. I think if you didn't do this you may never be happy. Or you would always have in the back of your mind of "what if". That alone would drive you crazy. And remember you must have fun doing this. Smile Im here for yah! I will be part of your support group. Smile


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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:32 pm

Yes, I sure am a Big-Block girl, Brian. Very Happy 
I grew up helping my dad work on Big-Blocks.

And also being able to have fun with your car squealing the tires real good when you take off from the stop sign. Very Happy  Laughing
Oh wait- should I have wrote that? Laughing
What if the Mountain Home, Idaho Police Department read that?  Hee! Hee!
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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:04 am

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Oh wait- parts compatibility issues with the 440?
What all would I have problems with? Would I still be able to keep a pushbutton automatic tranny in the car?
Well, you could probably find a big block push button transmission but the one that's in the car now won't work. The torsion bars are light duty for the six and the rear end is too. These are all things I would have to change on my car along with the engine brackets on the frame so you'd be looking at a similar project.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:08 am

Chris i have talked to you on the phone a few times and i feel you would really be much happier with the V8. Like Brian said we are you support team, do whatever you feel will make you happier Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:08 am

Thanks Joe! I know I can count on the members here for support! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:32 am

I like your plan Chris. That Dodge engine is a good one too. Red Ram!

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:06 pm

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1958PlymouthFuryChristine wrote:
Oh wait- parts compatibility issues with the 440?
What all would I have problems with? Would I still be able to keep a pushbutton automatic tranny in the car?
Well, you could probably find a big block push button transmission but the one that's in the car now won't work. The torsion bars are light duty for the six and the rear end is too. These are all things I would have to change on my car along with the engine brackets on the frame so you'd be looking at a similar project.

Ok, thanks for letting me know Chris. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:55 pm

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I like your plan Chris. That Dodge engine is a good one too. Red Ram!

Im with you Joe! Smile I think Chris should go this route for sure!

All fingers crossed for Chris!


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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:49 pm

Thanks everyone, I must say I do think the poly is a good looking motor and just looks right. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:07 am

Chris, Remember that if you are going for an original look, the dodge poly motor does look different from the Plymouth poly, Not a big deal just were not sure if you knew.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:39 am

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Chris, Remember that if you are going for an original look, the dodge poly motor does look different from the Plymouth poly, Not a big deal just were not sure if you knew.

Good luck!

That's true... Distinctive valve covers and intake manifold for sure.

Seems like you could get a 318 for a fairly reasonable price. May increase value as well if you stick w/ a Plymouth engine.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:32 am

I believe the dodge 1959 was a Plymouth style Poly!


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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:09 am

If you have the ability to do it yourself Chris...by all means...go for it. If done right, and I'm sure that's what you'd do, it would scratch the "V8 itch" you have while also raising the value of your car. And by doing it yourself, it'll be done economically. Hiring it out is a whole different story.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:02 pm

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Chris, Remember that if you are going for an original look, the dodge poly motor does look different from the Plymouth poly, Not a big deal just were not sure if you knew.

Good luck!
Thanks Jeff, yep I'm aware that the 325 dodge poly and other dodge polys are a different motor with the deep scalloped valve covers and raised intake manifold, but the dodge 326 that was used in 59 only was a plymouth poly that dodge used with just a larger bore and hydraulic valves. Yeah, if this was just a regular dodge poly I wouldn't bother but since this one looks just like a 301 or 318, I'm giving it much consideration.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:10 pm

Cool! It is a big job but would be great in the end...I would start a project like that right around this time of year, and not until you gather up all the parts you will need. Just my opinion, but you would hate to be down in the garage all cruising season!

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:32 pm

Oh definitely! This probably wouldn't happen for a few years down the road since I don't wish to take on that big of a project while there's other things to finish on the car first. I'm planning on looking at the motor and other bits tomorrow and If I end up buying it, it will be some time next year before I can pick it up since the guy want's to take the body off the car frame and basically sell me the rolling stock. I figure I will stash the parts for now just so they will be available in the future. I have to believe that 326's are getting to be a bit scarce.

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PostSubject: Re: I just can't decide!   Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:18 pm

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Oh definitely! This probably wouldn't happen for a few years down the road since I don't wish to take on that big of a project while there's other things to finish on the car first. I'm planning on looking at the motor and other bits tomorrow and If I end up buying it, it will be some time next year before I can pick it up since the guy want's to take the body off the car frame and basically sell me the rolling stock. I figure I will stash the parts for now just so they will be available in the future. I have to believe that 326's are getting to be a bit scarce.

Very excited for you, Chris. This is gonna be EPIC!

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