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PostSubject: 350 commando engine.   Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:31 pm

Let me know what u have.
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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:59 pm

I take it you're looking for a 350 Don? You are very optimistic. I completely bypassed "the 350 thought"...and decided to look for a 361 or 383 w/ appropriate torqueflite...They're very difficult to find now a days as well.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what would fit best into my 58 Belvy? What year/car/engine would be most appropriate...most readily available? I also want to get (back) a parking brake on the tail shaft of the tranny. My car presently Does Not have a parking brake with the later model alum. trans. that's in it now.

Sorry to high jack your thread Don...but maybe it will generate some interest?? Been awful quiet 'round here lately!

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:35 am

Thanks bob.lol
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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:39 am

I think the desotos 361 from 1958 are marked L-350 too?

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:28 am

The 383 is a great choice, available, reasonably priced and visually close. And there are dual quad manifolds available at a reasonable price.
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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:05 pm

The early 354 and 392 hemi is an easy swap and the cast iron torqueflite has the brake on the tailshaft.  My 57 with a 392 used stock engine and frame mounts as well as trans mount.  On that type of conversion I would recommend HD torsion bars (from V8 wagon) and HD shocks as that adds a few pounds up front.  It is also a very period correct conversion and looks great when topped off with the dual quad manifold.  For brakes I would recommend front disk conversion or use 57/58 New Yorker 12" brakes all around.

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:56 pm

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The 383 is a great choice, available, reasonably priced and visually close. And there are dual quad manifolds available at a reasonable price.

What 4 door donor cars/years should I be looking at to get a running/shifting drivetrain that will fit nicely into my 58 Belvedere? I understand the 383 motor and torqueflite tranny will need to be rebuilt, but I want to hear it run/shift myself. etc. etc.

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:07 pm

383's were in everything from roadrunners to station wagons and c bodies like polaras and newports. The real issue is you want to find a cable shift 727 which puts you in the early 60's B and C bodies. Otherwise you will need to put in an aftermarket shifter, not cool if you can help it
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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:23 pm

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383's were in everything from roadrunners to station wagons and c bodies like polaras and newports. The real issue is you want to find a cable shift 727 which puts you in the early 60's B and C bodies. Otherwise you will need to put in an aftermarket shifter, not cool if you can help it


Sure I knew this...but don't I have to find a 383 from the 1959-1960 era which would have had the cast iron torqueflite mated up to it? Is the 383 from the mid-late 60's the exact same block as these early 383's? I guess I'm trying to find a mated motor and tranny set because I don't know what fits what.

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:39 pm

383 engines of that period came in 2 styles, raised block (RB) and low block. RB shared intake with the 413, the other style did not. The intakes from 350, 361 and LB 383 was shared. The RB 383 is very rare. Cut and paste and get a little history lesson on the mopar engines: http://www.moparts.org/Tech/tech/pages/bigblock.html
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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:45 pm

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The early 354 and 392 hemi is an easy swap and the cast iron torqueflite has the brake on the tailshaft.  My 57 with a 392 used stock engine and frame mounts as well as trans mount.  On that type of conversion I would recommend HD torsion bars (from V8 wagon) and HD shocks as that adds a few pounds up front.  It is also a very period correct conversion and looks great when topped off with the dual quad manifold.  For brakes I would recommend front disk conversion or use 57/58 New Yorker 12" brakes all around.


What years/cars had these hemis/cast iron trans. Ron? I'm guessing pre-58 DeSotos, Chrysler and Imperials. Is that right?

Thanks for the lesson on the 383's...I'll read the link you attached. Thanks Ron!

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:54 pm

Bob here is what a 1962 motor and tranny combo look like. And it has the drum on the tail of the transmission.


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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:56 pm

Boy...I really hijacked this thread...so sorry Don.

I better at least type up another post here asking for anyone that has a 350 tucked away in the corner of their garage to think long and hard about selling it to Don! Come on folks give it up!

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:05 pm

Bob, The above would give you the option to have your park back like factory and still keep the push button shift. All like factory. Just the way you like it! Smile

Ive been doing a lot of research on this Bob because im looking to do the same.

Don, I am also sorry to highjack your thread here. Smile The GC 350 as you probably already know is a tuff motor to find. But I will keep my eyes pealed for you. One just never knows!

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:23 pm

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Bob, The above would give you the option to have your park back like factory and still keep the push button shift. All like factory. Just the way you like it! Smile

Ive been doing a lot of research on this Bob because im looking to do the same.

Don, I am also sorry to highjack your thread here. Smile  The GC 350 as you probably already know is a tuff motor to find.  But I will keep my eyes pealed for you. One just never knows!

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Thanks Brian...So the photo you posted...Is it a 1962 383 with aluminum torqueflight? Do you know what car that setup came out of? I'm searching for cars on autotempest.com to find the right drive-train.

Look at this: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/5379927438.html

If this was closer to me...perhaps this would be a good fit? Sounds like motor and tranny have been rebuilt too! Wow...

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:34 pm

U guys are hilarious.its all good.i like reading the posts . information is a plus.
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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:03 pm

I have an LA 318 in my car, installed by a previous owner. It will run all day long with no issues. I will say I hate the aftermarket shifter, a project for a later time. The point I guess is these cars are a blast to drive and nearly any mopar plant will work. It comes down to what you want to do
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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:36 am

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I have an LA 318 in my car, installed by a previous owner. It will run all day long with no issues. I will say I hate the aftermarket shifter, a project for a later time. The point I guess is these cars are a blast to drive and nearly any mopar plant will work. It comes down to what you want to do

Now...Is there an aluminum torqueflite transmission out there that will mate up to this LA 318 with a cable shift so you can hook up original pushbutton controls?

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:52 am

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Bob, The above would give you the option to have your park back like factory and still keep the push button shift. All like factory. Just the way you like it! Smile

Ive been doing a lot of research on this Bob because im looking to do the same.

Don, I am also sorry to highjack your thread here. Smile  The GC 350 as you probably already know is a tuff motor to find.  But I will keep my eyes pealed for you. One just never knows!

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Thanks Brian...So the photo you posted...Is it a 1962 383 with aluminum torqueflight? Do you know what car that setup came out of? I'm searching for cars on autotempest.com to find the right drive-train.

Look at this: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/5379927438.html

If this was closer to me...perhaps this would be a good fit? Sounds like motor and tranny have been rebuilt too! Wow...

Bob, The photo of the motor and transmission came out of an Imperial. And I believe it to be a 413. But it is bolted to an aluminum torqueflite transmission with the hub on the tail shaft. It is a cable shift style also.

I personally would like to bolt that type of transmission to a LA 318. That way one could have the best of both worlds. Keeping the push button shift and a more modern 318. I think the problem on here and other sites people that switch out motors go BB right away. Im not the norm and I would love to put a LA318 in mine but I need to keep the push button shift. The LA 318 is a very good motor. Nice cruiser and more modern but yet fits the car. If im understanding my research I could bolt a 1962 318 torqueflite to a newer LA 318 motor and run that in my 57.  That is my ideal plan. I will keep you posted Bob. Smile  Once I do find out what works and what doesn't I think it would make a good sticky so others have reference to it. Are you looking to go BB?


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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:18 am

Yes Brian...I'm leaning towards finding a big block. From what you just said, perhaps a more modern 383 would bolt up to a BB 1962 aluminum torqueflite that has a cable shift. (like in your photo) And then it would also have the parking brake on the tail shaft. Everything I'm looking for.

Your thought is also very good. I had an LA 318 in my 69 Fury and that engine was great...smoothest running motor I ever had...and very good on gas. More modern too as it had hydraulic lifters instead of the solid lifters on the poly 318 (that eventually get out of adjustment). Yes, I can see your point.

Yes, keep me posted Brian, that would be great. And once it's fact, yes a sticky thread would be in order.

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:33 pm

Bob, from the research ive done I do believe that transmission I posted in the picture would bolt to a 383 BB. So that does give you a lot of possible options. Make no mistake if I was to go BB I would go after the 383 for sure! It resembles a GC and they made a lot of 383s. Also the 383s are usually cheaper to find then any 440.

My biggest issue with the poly 318 is the fact that it doesn't have hydraulic lifters. But ive read that one can buy a cam and lifters for polys with hydraulic lifters. So you could convert it over. But im still sure the cost of it would be expensive to do. Still researching that one. So the LA318 keeps poping in the back of my mind. And parts for the LA are plentiful.

Good luck Bob. And I will keep you posted and share any info I can for us and all! Smile


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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:36 pm

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I have an LA 318 in my car, installed by a previous owner. It will run all day long with no issues. I will say I hate the aftermarket shifter, a project for a later time. The point I guess is these cars are a blast to drive and nearly any mopar plant will work. It comes down to what you want to do

Is it possible for you to post a picture of the LA318 in your car? What year of car do you have?


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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:58 am


Here is one! Go get it Tigers!:

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:04 am

361:

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:08 am

413 and 318:

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:45 am

With LA 318, runs great but as I said I want to find a solution to the floor shifter, not sure if the pic is showing up?
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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:53 am

Man...Marc sure knows how to dig doesn't he?  Thanks Marc!!

I knew the reason for this whole thread would appear! Don...Sure sounds like what you're looking for. cheers Just hope it's not too far away for you.

I hope it eventually comes out in this thread: what years/casting numbers/stamped numbers of cable operated torqueflite transmissions work with the LA 318 as well as the 383 engines (early and later).

Do the early 383's have solid lifters as well? I would think so but how does one know what an early 383 vs. a later 383 is? I can look at a 318 and tell whether it's a poly or an LA...What about a 383?

I'd like to find a running, driving BB car located over here in northeast. Being a rookie and a one man band...I'm quite paranoid of buying a car that's not running because of cracked blocks etc etc...Don't need any boat anchors 'round here.

Good thread we have going here. That's what this club/forum should be all about! Thanks for starting it Don...a little off your original intent but still very informative! Thanks to all for your imput.

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:14 pm

WOW! If this isn't the mother of all hijacked threads I don't know what is! LOL...Laughing

I'll bet John (BigM) has a Dodge with a 350 laying around. Easy to Golden Commando Clone if your not a stickler for some of the original parts. I had it all. There were 3 350's here at one time. I sold it all with the exception of my NOS GC. Course the 383 is a close enough match to.

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:19 pm

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WOW! If this isn't the mother of all hijacked threads I don't know what is! LOL...Laughing

I'll bet John (BigM) has a Dodge with a 350 laying around. Easy to Golden Commando Clone if your not a stickler for some of the original parts. I had it all. There were 3 350's here at one time. I sold it all with the exception of my NOS GC. Course the 383 is a close enough match to.

Yes...extremely hijacked but oh so sweet! lol!

Wayne, I was just going to alert you to this thread so you could join in. I hope Big M joins in too. Wayne do you know the answer to my 383 question just above? If so please share your knowledge. What's the tell-tale visuals between an early 383 and a later 383?

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PostSubject: Re: 350 commando engine.   Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:29 pm

Am I hearing you right Bob? A BIG BLOCK? Thought you had your heart set on a 318? I "Prayed" I could get you hooked into the Big Block club of Christine owners one day! Now this is a historical development worthy of all the exaggeration and embellishment I can muster!!!Laughing

Sadly, I don't know what the differences are between the early and late 383's. Hopefully John or Big Joe will chime in as they are both experts in that regard. I'm more of the 350 Golden Commando go to guy! Smile

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