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Got some UGH to deal with.

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1Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Got some UGH to deal with. on Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:41 pm

57belv

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Well, I started to tackle the trunk damage on my car today, I knew the trunk was patched before and I could have lived with it the way it was if the previous owner hadn't run over something and pushed up the whole floor. What I'm finding now is bondo, sheet metal, and some sort of adhesive! Ugh.

Here's what it looked like when I first looked at the car...
Got some UGH to deal with. 57_tru10
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This is after I brought her home, I didn't look in the trunk again until a few weeks after getting the car home...
Got some UGH to deal with. P5241110

And today, after peeling up some of the patch work....
Got some UGH to deal with. Hpim0913
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UGH....


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2Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:18 pm

DevilsRide

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Well Chris that may have worked if they used panel bond to adhere the sheet metal. They really got crafty with the filler. Hope all goes well with your plan of attack on this!


Brian.

3Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:51 am

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Thanks Brian, I think the guy thought he could build the whole freakin car with that stuff!


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4Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:10 am

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Chris that isnt as bad as i thought, it can be repaired, it can be made stronger/better Very Happy


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5Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:12 am

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I take it that was a surprise? I know you said she had a good bit of filler you'd have to deal with eventually. This is a good start since you are replacing the tank anyway.

At least it doesn't look too bad. You're making it better a little it at a time! Good job getting started! Keep us posted!


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6Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:27 am

furvedere

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Looks like he OD'd with the sheet metal patch(es)...Get it all off of there and see what it looks like. At the moment, it looks to me that there's just a little strip of rust through area on the left. A wire brush on your grinder will make quick work of it. Wear glasses and mask though...Do you have a Mig- welder Chris? Perhaps you can use some of that metal you've removed to fab some nice metal patches to weld in there?

Bob


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7Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:37 pm

1958PlymouthFuryChristine


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It seems that to cause that much damage to the underside of your car Chris, the previous owner of your car must have thought that she was a 4-wheel drive or something and took her off-roading and I think what happened is must have hit a big rock on the underside while off-roading. That is the only explanation that I can think of to cause that much damage on the underside. I cannot understand the way people think sometimes!

But now comes trying to repair the damage the right way and not the wrong way as the previous owner has done.
I agree with Bob's way for you to repair this, I do believe that it will be the right way for you to repair the damage on your car.

8Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:23 pm

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Looks like you have your work cut out (no pun intended) for yourself.

9Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:23 pm

57belv

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I knew going into this that there was a lot of doctored up rust "repairs" but it's pretty obvious that the work was just for cosmetic reasons. Unfortunately, to repair this car in the conventional way is cost prohibitive since so much of the car has issues like this, basically just about every part of the car has rust damage and she would require a total tear down and full restoration to address all the problems and that's out of the question, so I'm gonna have to come up with some unconventional solutions me thinks.


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10Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:16 am

furvedere

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57belv wrote:I knew going into this that there was a lot of doctored up rust "repairs" but it's pretty obvious that the work was just for cosmetic reasons. Unfortunately, to repair this car in the conventional way is cost prohibitive since so much of the car has issues like this, basically  just about every part of the car has  rust damage and she would require a total tear down and full restoration to address all the problems and that's out of the question, so I'm gonna have to come up with some unconventional solutions me thinks.

I'm missing something Chris...Obviously the way the seam cracked and the metal started to separate makes you think that the car hit/bottomed out on something but the first photos showed no crack...so how could the former owner have run something over or hit something if there was no crack when you got the car? Was the gas tank dented in from the bottom too? Are you sure that the adhesive didn't just start to let go and that's why the seam cracked?

Bob


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And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
1 John 5:11-12 cheers

11Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:28 pm

goat19642004

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It will be worth the effort after your finished Bob. It's still a great car !


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12Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:20 pm

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This is Chris car not bobs Very Happy


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13Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:09 pm

57belv

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furvedere wrote:
57belv wrote:I knew going into this that there was a lot of doctored up rust "repairs" but it's pretty obvious that the work was just for cosmetic reasons. Unfortunately, to repair this car in the conventional way is cost prohibitive since so much of the car has issues like this, basically  just about every part of the car has  rust damage and she would require a total tear down and full restoration to address all the problems and that's out of the question, so I'm gonna have to come up with some unconventional solutions me thinks.

I'm missing something Chris...Obviously the way the seam cracked and the metal started to separate makes you think that the car hit/bottomed out on something but the first photos showed no crack...so how could the former owner have run something over or hit something if there was no crack when you got the car? Was the gas tank dented in from the bottom too? Are you sure that the adhesive didn't just start to let go and that's why the seam cracked?

Bob

The first photo shows what the trunk looked like in July when I went to Missouri the first time, you can see the patches but it looked presentable. When I returned to MO in August, I didn't look in the trunk that time figuring that it was okay. The guy asked me if I looked in there and I said no, I had seen it before. Now I think back and wonder if the new damage was what he was referring to. When I got the car home, it was dark so I didn't notice any damage in there and I hadn't gone back into the trunk for several weeks but that's when I noticed the floor was bulged up and the seams were splitting, so something traumatic occurred between the time I first went to look at the car and the time I picked her up.


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14Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:47 pm

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Now I understand Chris...and after looking at the photos again it does look like the trunk floor is bent/pushed upward. I see some kinks in the floor stiffeners after taking a closer look. I take it the gas tank was dented in too? Is that why you're replacing it?

Bob


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1 John 5:11-12 cheers

15Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:53 am

57belv

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Yeah, the tank was bashed in at the front and rear, it also was rusted badly.
Here's a side view of the tank brace.
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16Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:52 am

goat19642004

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JAG wrote:This is Chris car not bobs Very Happy

Sorry Bob, its been a long day!


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17Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:54 am

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Wow...he must have backed up over something very large. Perhaps you can get right in that trunk Chris...put your own weight over the appropriate areas and start pounding to straighten that floor out. Looks pretty solid to me...but whatever rust through areas you have after you're done cleaning the old adhesive/bondo/paint off, now would be the time to get her welded up properly. Do you have or know someone with a mig welder?

Bob


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1958 Plymouth Belvedere 2 dr ht
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18Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:49 pm

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So I switched areas for a little break from the trunk, I reinstalled my sun visors the other day after resewing the edge and painting them.

Before...
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Got some UGH to deal with. Hpim0612

After...
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I also started to remove the tattered mylar from the door panels to see what was underneath, I might be able to do something with them the way they are.

Before....
Got some UGH to deal with. P5241112
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After...
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19Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:57 pm

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Nice job on the sun visors Chris! Ob1 has taught you well my son!!! Very Happy


Brian.

20Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:02 pm

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Thanks B! I'm mad at myself though, cause the rod came out of the drivers side one and when I put it back in, I wasn't careful enough and caused a small crack in the pressed board material. :Marc :


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21Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:21 pm

1958PlymouthFuryChristine


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It looks like you did a very nice job there Chris. Very Happy
I am sorry to hear about the small crack on the drivers side one, I hope that it doesn't get any worse...

22Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:31 pm

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Well Chris, I hope the crack isn't too bad. I still am amazed at how well your head liner turned out! Everything is coming together my friend. Keep it up!

p.s.  Im sure I will crack or break a few things with my project before its all done! Yikes! :affraid:


Brian. Smile

23Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:39 pm

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The headliner and sun visors look perfecto Chris! Really nice job!

Bob


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1958 Plymouth Belvedere 2 dr ht
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1 John 5:11-12 cheers

24Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:30 pm

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Thanks everyone! It sure does makes the car look better with the headliner and sun visors cleaned up! Very Happy


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25Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:37 pm

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Wow! She's beautiful!


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26Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:51 pm

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57belv wrote:Thanks everyone! It sure does makes the car look better with the headliner and sun visors cleaned up! Very Happy

Yes, every little bit helps to make the car look that much more nicer when restoring a car. Very Happy

27Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:34 am

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Looking great Chris. A little at a time and soon you will be all smiles with her Very Happy


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28Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:26 pm

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Well, I decided to get back to my trunk fun-ness this weekend, more ugh!
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29Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:59 pm

1958PlymouthFuryChristine


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Ok, I see that I wasn't the only one working on cars this weekend. Smile 
I got rust in my car's trunk too. I got a bit of rust cancer in it too.
Most likely the best way to repair rust cancer is to get a new trunk pan or cut out the rust and weld in a patch of new metal.
Rust is EVIL!

30Got some UGH to deal with. Empty Re: Got some UGH to deal with. on Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:00 pm

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I was wondering why the previous owner put reflective tape on the doors....


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